Well, I officially declare PA/RISC Linux to be "useful". Emacs 20 builds fine (including dump/undump) and apperas to run quite well on my A180. See ftp://puffin.external.hp.com/pub/debian-hppa/ (ducking the editor war that follows) -- dhd@linuxcare.com, http://www.linuxcare.com/ Linuxcare. Support for the revolution.